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When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/4/2009 1:48:34 PM   
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After chatting with someone today, I realized that my priorities have changed over the 10yrs we have been diving.  So just wondered how the rest of you decide on your next dive trip.
Please rank in order, how you pick your next dive trip:

A.  the diving quality
B.  the activities when not diving, especially when traveling with a non-diver
C.  the resort staff, the resort ammenities, how enjoyable time will be out of the water at resort and restaurants
D.  price, I always go where I get best deal
E.  recommendations of other divers with similar style
F.  the overall experience - good diving, good resort, good activities, good price, good recommendations
G.  someplace new that offers something new for us underwater or topside cultural things


In the beginning, we always booked by D - price and A - diving quality.  This meant we went to Cozumel over and over. 
After a few years, we finally let G - new places and E - recommendations sneak in and influence us a bit over the price.  We started branching out and exploring more of the world even though it cost more than those dirt cheap Coz trips. 
Now I have got to say that F - overall experience has become our Number 1 factor in choosing.  It doesn't matter so much to me that the diving is A+ quality if the time out of water is mediocre and the price is overwhelming or the destination is void of cultural interest. 

Our trip to Cozumel this past March is perfect example of this - we didn't have a great time.  It was just okay as we found things topside detracted from the diving, too many hassles, rude dive shop, long boat rides, mediocre food.  The best part of the trip was the 2 days over on mainland for Chichen Itza and cenote diving.  We returned from that trip and immediately started talking about going back to CCV resort on Roatan.  Yeah, the diving isn't A+ there, more like a B+, but it scores an A in every other category.  Best dive staff, best boats, best 24/7 diving, best atmosphere. 

Ditto the trip to Palau - diving was spectacular and A+ but price was huge, hassle getting there and home was a nightmare, topside Koror was pretty bleak and depressing.  Yes, glad we did it but wouldn't do it again unless we came into some big money. 

Our Calif dive trips have all been great and though they started out as G - something new and D - price..... I would now consider them as F - overall great experience.  We intend to continue going there every year for that reason.

Other trips like Fla Keys or SE Florida, Bonaire, Bahamas liveaboards, and Kona Hawaii all had good and bad points of their own.  Each of them had a bad point or two, also.

So looking back at all your dive trips, give me your comments and thoughts.  You might be surprised, just like I was. 



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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/4/2009 2:15:33 PM   
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Could not do the ABC part, lots of my reasons were not listed, so...I always "shop" before I book of course, cannot afford everywhere...sadly.

**The first question I always ask: how many dives a day and can I dive my computer.

Then I search around for the ammenities. BUT having said that, you cannot always go by that either. On this board someone told me Tawali was super duper...NOT TRUE AT ALL.
Matter of fact I was disapointed with most of the dives this time in PNG. We knew we could a number of boat dives but could do lots of shore dives. Well the shore dives were NOT what we thought, so that did not pan out.

Tufi Resort's ammenities in PNG were somewhat better then Tawali, but the diving was wanting.

Thinking about land based I have to say Laguna Beach Resort on Utila was the best fit for us and for a liveaboard the PH boat (gone now) in Grenada a great fit as well. Of course it helped that there were only 4 divers that week. I might have thought a little different were there lots like the Nekton, way to many people for me.

Having something to do after diving is not high on my list, give me 4 or 3 dives a day, a nice shower, comfy chair, cold drink I am fine.

We have only gone to the same place twice, Utila. So I guess we are always looking for a new experience.

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Other considerations - 11/4/2009 2:43:51 PM   
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I often chuckle when I read the posting - "Where is the best diving" there is much more to booking a dive trip than the water as you point out.  Other considerations:

1.) Budget
2.) Time of year (Hurricane Season)
3.) Duration of Trip
4.) Flights & Travel issues, Number of flights, costs etc...
5.) Safety - Personal,  Food, Water
6.) How many dives do you want to do a day?
7.) Cook yourself or eat out
8.) Shore or boat diving?

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RE: Other considerations - 11/4/2009 3:25:09 PM   
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Pretty much my only consideration has been "where can I go in the next month". My planning ahead skills for a vacation are virtually non-existent. I get to a point where I say "I need to get away" and it had better be in 6 weeks or less or I go mad. Mad I tell ya, mad.

There's got to be diving, I don't care what some consider "good" or "great" since I'm quite easily pleased when it comes to diving.

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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/4/2009 3:25:44 PM   
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most interesting post.   There is certainly a wealth of experience on this board so I'll be curious to see how people rank these and come up with additional considerations.

For us, we are very much in the Cozumel stage of dive trips, like you used to be.   A and D are the top considerations for sure.    Thus, we've hit Coz more times than I can count anymore....over a dozen is all I know with another approaching in Jan.

After that, E is the only serious consideration and is really related to A....where is the best diving.   The rest are mostly unimportant.    Even if we stay in a little cubicle room with an AC, maybe a pool to lounge around, that is enough for us.   Some of my best dive trips have been with a good book, tons of sleep, and maybe lots of rolling around with my lady.    External entertainment isn't that important as some of my best and most relaxing trips have been rather spartan.    Food is a consideration, particularly with my lady, but not necessarily gourmet.    I love it when I can get lots of family/friends to celebrate some good times with, perhaps over a holiday, but that's awfully tough to coordinate.   


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A. the diving quality
B. the activities when not diving, especially when traveling with a non-diver
C. the resort staff, the resort ammenities, how enjoyable time will be out of the water at resort and restaurants
D. price, I always go where I get best deal
E. recommendations of other divers with similar style
F. the overall experience - good diving, good resort, good activities, good price, good recommendations
G. someplace new that offers something new for us underwater or topside cultural things

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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/4/2009 4:19:18 PM   
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We do one big trip a year and it is always a liveaboard. I believe I get my best bang for the buck and more importantly my wife is spolied. All my fault. The price of most A+ boats at most destinations is within a few hundred bucks of each other so the logistics of getting there is my number one priority when I book. I always make a spreadsheet with comparisons between 3 locations. Add in airline tickets both First class and coach, baggage charges, hotel if required, number of stops, tip, NITROX and time my butt is on the plane. There is a lot to be said about booking during hurricane season, this is when most boats offer thier "specials". One "special" during IKE was enough for me. So because of that we are doing the Cayman Aggressor one more time this year. Places I won't go include Maldives, to long and to costly to get there. Many places in Indo, will not fly on those airlines. PNG, don't like the idea of overnighting in Port Moseby. Places I like to do again Socorro loved it, wife not so much. Sha is not a big fan of current. I am trying to get her to West Palm for a weekend of drift diving so she can see that drift diving is relaxing and not a lot of work.

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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/4/2009 4:23:12 PM   
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My first consideration is the safety of my family.  If a place is politically unstable or if it has questionable drinking water, high crime, etc. I don't care how great the diving is - I won't consider going there.

The next consideration is the diving and I rely heavily on recommendations from this board.

Next, I look for a great resort and dive op.  Again, this board is a great resourse for info.

Topside activities are important to my wife so they have to be considered.

Price, uniqueness (is that a word?) and other considerations are a minor concern.

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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/4/2009 5:49:15 PM   
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1. Does the law and the Dive Op allow collecting live shells (mollusks, not bombs)?
2. Price.

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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/5/2009 8:30:42 AM   
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quote:

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We do one big trip a year and it is always a liveaboard. I believe I get my best bang for the buck and more importantly my wife is spolied. All my fault. The price of most A+ boats at most destinations is within a few hundred bucks of each other so the logistics of getting there is my number one priority when I book. I always make a spreadsheet with comparisons between 3 locations. Add in airline tickets both First class and coach, baggage charges, hotel if required, number of stops, tip, NITROX and time my butt is on the plane. There is a lot to be said about booking during hurricane season, this is when most boats offer thier "specials". One "special" during IKE was enough for me. So because of that we are doing the Cayman Aggressor one more time this year. Places I won't go include Maldives, to long and to costly to get there. Many places in Indo, will not fly on those airlines. PNG, don't like the idea of overnighting in Port Moseby. Places I like to do again Socorro loved it, wife not so much. Sha is not a big fan of current. I am trying to get her to West Palm for a weekend of drift diving so she can see that drift diving is relaxing and not a lot of work.


I am with you there..... Liveaboards usually have a great "overall diving experience" but the price can be prohibitive, too.  Since we must do more than one trip per year, I don't know if we will be doing a liveaboard again for now.  We just don't have the extra $$$.  I think that is another reason we like CCV so much - it is just like a liveaboard, but with bugs (as a friend likes to tell us.) 

In fact, now that I think about it, I think liveaboards have spoiled us for all land-based dive trips.  We now expect completely different "overall experience".  We want to hang out with other divers more, eat meals with them and chat and share dive stories, and do nothing more than dive eat and sleep.  Before our first liveaboard trip (Nekton Cay Sal Bahamas in 2006), we were thrilled with 3 dives per day and then eating out, walking around town, shopping etc every night.  Once we did a liveaboard, we really started to expect a different kind of vacation and that first liveaboard trip set a tone for us.  We had such a BLAST with everyone onboard, including the crew, that now we are much more outgoing and sociable on our trips.  We now chat with everyone on our dive boat, get to know them, chat with strangers at restaurants and make friends fast.  We come home from our trips now with a list of names and e-mail addresses of those new friends.  Before going a liveaboard we never did that! 

I think you came up with the reason our priorities have changed!!  Liveaboard diving changed us.




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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/5/2009 8:46:11 AM   
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For local trips, I want to know who has space on the boat tomorrow (I'm almost always last minute) and which wreck are the trying to get to. I like stated destination better than get on the boat and see where we end up.

For travel, it almost always comes down to where I can find frequent flyer tickets on short notice. I start with some dates and a huge list of potential destinations. After a couple of hours of banging my head on the computer seeing 'no tickets available' messages, I end up with a ticket to Cancun and plans for the bus and ferry to CZM.

Now that I have a drysuit, I'm going to start considering cold water continental US dive spots where I can see some new things and plane tickets might be a little easier to come by.

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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/5/2009 4:12:26 PM   
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Robin,
My better half/dive buddy can't even spell land based anymore. It's Liveaboard or I ain't going and it better be a A+ one while you are at it. Oh and to make matters worse in the "Spoiled Brat" department, 3 years ago I used a few of my miles and we flew First Class..Now it is expected. We both work, as with most couples, and our jobs pretty much dictate our vacations. We can only go on one trip a year and it is always all paid for before we leave. My job has gotten so demanding that they insist I carry a Crackberry with me, really hate that loss of signal at sea :-) We are both retiring in 18 months so we are looking for a good used Catamaran as a dive home away from home.

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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/5/2009 5:39:28 PM   
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wow, congrats and I am jealous. 

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Wait a minute, you read D2D !!+ - 11/5/2009 6:32:06 PM   
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Our trip to Cozumel this past March is perfect example of this - we didn't have a great time.  It was just okay as we found things topside detracted from the diving, too many hassles, rude dive shop, long boat rides, mediocre food.


This sounds like ScubaCub complaining that the food sucked in Coz when he went down to the mall and had a hamburger.

This is the most reviewed location on D2D, with ump-teen thousands of great food choices. If you chose to not listen to all the Coz expert's (ie DocV, LarryL, D_aviddiver, Christi, etc) advice, then you didn't take advantage of a valuable resource on D2D.

I've never had a bad Coz trip, cause I don't use crappy operators, and cruddy food choices that others have told all of us to stay away from. I read all your California reports and watch all your videos, because I want to go and do the same trip you did. If something was wrong with a Cali-liveaboard boat, I know you would post it up and I would definitely make a note of it.

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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/5/2009 10:05:44 PM   
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F. the overall experience - good diving, good resort, good activities, good price, good recommendations
G. someplace new that offers something new for us underwater or topside cultural things


I am now considering my first liveaboard trip for next year.  Maybe doing the Nekton...I think I might enjoy the eat, sleep and dive thing.  Sure a lot of people who recommend them, and it would definately fall under the G category.

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RE: Wait a minute, you read D2D !!+ - 11/6/2009 9:21:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RnR
Our trip to Cozumel this past March is perfect example of this - we didn't have a great time.  It was just okay as we found things topside detracted from the diving, too many hassles, rude dive shop, long boat rides, mediocre food.


This sounds like ScubaCub complaining that the food sucked in Coz when he went down to the mall and had a hamburger.

This is the most reviewed location on D2D, with ump-teen thousands of great food choices. If you chose to not listen to all the Coz expert's (ie DocV, LarryL, D_aviddiver, Christi, etc) advice, then you didn't take advantage of a valuable resource on D2D.

I've never had a bad Coz trip, cause I don't use crappy operators, and cruddy food choices that others have told all of us to stay away from. I read all your California reports and watch all your videos, because I want to go and do the same trip you did. If something was wrong with a Cali-liveaboard boat, I know you would post it up and I would definitely make a note of it.


Yes, you are right.  We stayed at ScubaClub and the food there was mediocre - breakfast fine, lunch okay, dinner ranged from good to downright inedible, especially one night.  This was our first time going there and we expected much better quality than we got.  We went there because of so many rave reviews here on this board and others.  We loved the resort itself, the shore diving, the rooms, the staff at the restaurant.  We didn't particularly like the DMs (two were downright rude) and didn't like the slow boats. 
Our past trips to Cozumel, all before the hurricane, we stayed at different hotels and dove with PapaHogs.  Always enjoyed the food downtown except the last trip when we found that many of the restaurants closed down when the cruise ships left.  We ended up eating at the touristy places several nights and didn't particularly like it.  (We live in ABQ and we can get great Mexican food any day of week here so we are a bit pickier than most people.  We love the Mayan specialties in Coz but those places didn't have them, just the Americanized tacos, etc.)  We thought this time, going to ScubaClub, would mean that we didn't have the food issues like last time.  Wrong.  We paid for the food there so we ate there, and really expected better.  Food was very Americanized and not well done in my opinion.  The BEST food all week was the Mexican night on the beach, but unfortunately that was our first night there.  From there on it went downhill.  Our day over at the ruins we didn't attend breakfast or lunch at ScubaClub, which is when you have to order your dinner.  We were told the day before that it was no problem.  But when we showed up for dinner, we were told since we didn't order that we didn't get anything.  Well, we didn't accept that answer and after waiting for 20 minutes they decided to go ahead and give us food, food that we had already paid for!  The food was horrible and I would bet they did that to us on purpose, which doesn't speak well of the place.  I would give the food there at ScubaClub a C, and I think that is fair as the breakfast and lunches were okay though I find it silly that they charge you for a glass of iced tea. 

As for the rude dive shop, I won't go into details but let's just say that it was our worst experience with ANy dive operation ever.  Maybe it was the fact we arrived mid-week and they didn't like that.  Maybe it was the fact that we asked too many questions or the fact we had booked a day of cenote diving over in the mainland.  Regardless, it wasn't a pleasant experience.  Ditto for our experience on the boats when one of the DMs asked me my name 3 times in one day, and asked me what my diving experience was 3 times.  When I explained to him the second time that he had already asked me, he said he forgot and asked me again.  But then when we were on the boat heading out to dive site and he asked me again, it really ticked me off.  Then, our group of divers had a couple that apparently dive there a SCC often who were some of the worst divers I have ever seen.  The wife pulled herself along underwater by grabbing the coral.  The DM said nothing to her, NEVER.  I was really upset about it and tried to say something to the DM, well that went in one ear and out the other.  Also, on the dives Ron and I are pretty good at finding critters so we always signalled the DM to let him know if we found something.  He didn't take that well at all, and actually seemed annoyed that I found a splendid toadfish before he did.  Needless to say, I was not impressed with him.  Another one of the DMs took Ron's Dslr rig and dropped it in the rinse tank on the boat then took someone's little camera and dropped it in the same one on top of Ron's dome lens, yep a big ding in it and it was brand new!  We watched this happen so I do have my facts straight. 
I won't even go into the slow boats and the fact they dropped us in on reefs that were already packed full of divers!  When we came up to the surface, surrounded by boats and our boat was off in distance it would take 10-15 minutes to get their attention and get them over to pick us up.  I would give the dive op at Scuba Club a C in my rating system, they didn't do anything unsafe but they certainly weren't great.  I am sure we would have gotten much better service if we had been with a group, they really seemed to treat the groups differently.   

We ended up only doing 4 days of boat diving with them, which turned out to be plenty for us.  The shore diving was much more memorable and enjoyable. 

The hotel itself I really liked, loved our room and also the layout was very funky which appeals to me as an artist.  No phones or tvs, no problem.  There was a pool and we saw others using it but we never do.  I would give the hotel itself an A-.  We loved the shore diving and Ron's best photos ALL came from the shore dives.  We saw more interesting critters there, too.  I would give the shore diving in front of Scuba Club a B+. 
The hurricane damage on the major reefs was still very evident to us and a few dives seemed more like sand dunes than reefs.  I would give the reef/boat dives at Cozumel a C.  Lots of better diving in the Caribbean can be found. 

As for the hassles I mentioned, they pertained to getting back and forth to PDC for our cenote dives and Chichen Itza trips.  Both days the ferry schedule was wacked.  We were told that the ferry runs every hour but it doesn't.  Some days they skip hours and we got burned both ways.  We ended up sitting in PDC after our cenote dives for 2 hours as we missed one ferry and then they didn't have one the next hour as the ferry was being used by the cruise ships in Coz. 

For those reasons, I doubt we will go back to Cozumel.  We've been there numerous times from 2000-2008, and we are now done with it.  Our choice. 

So....... you can see why I say our "OVERALL EXPERIENCE' there wasn't as great as we expected. 

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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/6/2009 9:48:30 AM   
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For us, A and/or G.

Thanks for your Coz review. We have been there over 20 times and have considered living there, but I no longer consider the diving top notch. We have our own way of experiencing it that eliminates a lot of the issues you had, e.g. we hire our own boat and our favorite dive guide. That said we haven't dived there in almost 2 years.

We are either looking for A) the type of images and video that cannot be found easily or G) a place where we can capture images and video top side that involves the culture of a foreign land.

Instead of more time for trips as I expected, I have now found myself with less time for at least the next year. I'm looking for more unusual destinations in the future. I accept the hassles of travel. I accept the variations in cost as long as it is worth it. E.g. Kona is expensive vis-a-vie the dive experience. Nice, but not a good value.

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RE: When booking a dive trip - what are your priorities? - 11/6/2009 10:36:06 AM   
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thanks.  I am sure I made some people mad with my comments about Coz, but I am just trying to be honest.  We had an okay time, not great, not horrible, just okay. 

I agree about Kona, there we did enjoy the diving and the fact it was all new critters for us, but we did find only doing 2 dives per day as a negative especially for cost.  We would like to go back there and do the liveaboard though, that way more diving and less wasted time topside and it would end up being about the same price overall.  We loved the topside atmosphere though and the one day we spent hiking the volcano lands and waterfalls was FANTASTIC.  We would do at least 2-3 days of topside trekking after the liveaboard for that reason. 

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