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Lionfish in the Turks & Caicos + - 7/13/2007 4:45:01 AM   
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Speaking of the unusual find in Provo, we've seen not just one, but 2 lionfish, at 2 different sites off West Caicos.  These sites were quite far apart and we saw the lionfish 2 days in a row.  Obviously not endemic to Turks & Caicos, but they are here now! 

Guess the Ritz Carlton wanted their guests to see something different....LOL!!!  Speaking of the Ritz, it's going up quickly on West Caicos.....damn it!!!!  I hope they don't screw up the diving on one of my favorite areas....West Caicos ROCKS!!!!



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Lionfish - 7/13/2007 5:49:36 AM   
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They're becoming established everywhere, up the East Coast of the USA, and into the Bahamas.

Bummer.

Zero enemies, and their favorite food is juvenile grouper and snapper.  Boooo!  Wonder what the fish population will be like in fifty years?  Booooo!  And they can get quite big, I was surprised, fifteen inches, including tail.

To report sightings,

http://www8.nos.noaa.gov/nccos/ccfhr/lionfishreport.aspx

But their list doesn't include the Turks and Caicos, yet.


Wikkipedia:  "Though lionfish venom is dangerous, it is localized around the spines, making the fish rather safe to eat (c.f Fugu, where the toxin is present throughout the internal organs)."

Alright, tough guys, go spear them!

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RE: Lionfish in the Turks & Caicos + - 7/13/2007 5:57:24 AM   
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In Florida we recommend that you spear them.

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Question: - 7/13/2007 6:07:42 AM   
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About how deep were the Lionfish? 

There's a sharp drop-off there, hey?

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Wow, lots of varieties... - 7/13/2007 7:28:42 AM   
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Blatant copying:
 
"Lionfish grow like weeds. This 13" long fish is a Hoover in lionfish stripes. The pectoral wingspan on this fish reached over 18" wide, hammering home the point that Volitans lionfish require big tanks. This fish can easily consume any medium sized angel or wrasse.
"When someone states they have a lionfish, this is usually the fish they are describing [Volitans lion, "lionfish", turkey fish
Maximum size: 12-15 inches, minimum tank size: 85 gallons]. The most common lionfish in the hobby, the Volitans lionfish are hardy and pollution tolerant. In the wild, Volitans lions spend dawn/dusk periods in open water in search of foods (primarily fish), and frequently travel in packs of multiple animals (5 or more). During the daylight hours, they head to cave openings and protected structures for safety."  [I would tend to think rather than safety, they like a dark, quiet place to sleep, since they're nocturnal hunters. They have few predators: eels, frogfish, and other lionfish.]

 
"Frequently offered for sale as 2 inch juveniles, they are cute and adorable with tremendous personality.  The 2" juvenile fish at the store will reach 8-10" in one year's time (with proper feedings) and within 6 more months it will obtain a maximum size of 15 inches.  Any fish that is equal to half the body size of the Volitans lion, is considered food.  ...In the wild, a lionfish will consume from 1 to 11 small to medium-sized prey items per feeding, then retire to a hiding spot to digest the food for a day or so, and repeat this process.
 
"Lionfish are hunters and ambush predators, plain and simple.  One of the most remarkable features of lionfish are their pectoral fins. These fins may vary in size, but are flamboyant, colorful, and very mobile. When a lionfish stalks it's prey, it uses the pectoral fins to perform a number of tasks, often swaying its pectoral fins from side-to-side and slightly forward, an action which seems to make its approach less distracting to the intended victim.  Additionally, by tilting the fins forward, it creates a barrier or fencing, and herds the prey to a certain spot restricting its movement."

Lionfish Sting... What To Do
If a lionfish or scorpionfish ever stings you, the very first thing to do is immerse the wound site in hot, non-scalding water (110-113°F) for 20 to 30 minutes, or until the pain subsides. According to Michaels (1998), applying rapid heat using a hair dryer will also work. The key point is heat; lionfish venom contains many heat labile proteins, and heat will denature these venom proteins, preventing them from spreading in the bloodstream and decreasing the severity of their effects. Do not use boiling hot water; the burn resulting from boiling water will often be worse than the lionfish sting. The most frequent symptoms of a lionfish sting are pain and swelling. However, a few people may have an allergic reaction to lionfish venom and should be cautious if the pain and swelling get worse over a few hours
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Maybe to be the next Long John Silver's craze? 
 
If I lived where they are, I'd certainly take up spearfishing!
 
All this info and more, lots of pretty pictures, at:
 
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-11/fm/feature/index.php
 
 

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RE: Lionfish in the Turks & Caicos + - 7/15/2007 1:24:13 PM   
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Hello marc
good diving with you last Friday, wow is it all over ??
Just got home last night, I am trashed at the moment.

The diving was excellent, 5 dives a day, the best investment I did before was that nitrox cert.
On day 2 my computer went south, had my old air computer with my air guage on and a loaner Nitrox computer, My air computer told me I was in deco in three dives. 

anyway is this the lion fish your talking about, not a real good pic, low light and the strobe was cranky. Note to self : strobe batteries change every 3rd dive not evey other day.

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Last dive we saw another lionfish + - 7/16/2007 4:31:58 AM   
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making 3 different ones.  I got some great video of it as it was out in an open spot......and right next to it was a Goldentail Eel....T&C diving, you can hardly beat it as you've now experienced.

Sorry to hear about Delta loosing your stuff....DELTA SUCKS!!!!


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Three! - 7/16/2007 5:38:24 AM   
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One each on three dives?  And how deep, in general?  The literature says 100 feet plus, but you weren't that deep or no, you were.  I'd like to know how deep to go look for these guys.  To see when they show up here on St Croix.

Are they all similar?  Or do they have slight differences?

Fascinating.

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There was one on the Schurz... - 7/16/2007 7:54:45 AM   
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off North Carolina last summer. Beautiful fish, and not at all shy of the divers. If you ever make it back to the states, you can see them on the wrecks off NC. Of course, NC is right next to that "Hell on Earth" Virginia, but hopefully far enough away that the evil will not overcome you too quickly. :^)

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RE: Three! - 7/16/2007 8:06:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Molamola

One each on three dives?  And how deep, in general?  The literature says 100 feet plus, but you weren't that deep or no, you were.  I'd like to know how deep to go look for these guys.  To see when they show up here on St Croix.

Are they all similar?  Or do they have slight differences?

Fascinating.

Mm


this one was in the high 90's or about 100,   if I remember correctly

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RE: Three! - 7/16/2007 9:33:33 AM   
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Thanks!  So the Scientists are right, they're generally deep in the Caribbean/Florida. 

In Thailand, I saw them in 25-30 feet depth.  I wonder if they'll become as common as coneys  and grunts?

Cheers,

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It's going to be a problem + - 7/16/2007 9:53:46 AM   
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The lionfish are thick off Jaxsonville. Local spearos are actively targeting and spearing them. These fish will destroy a reef quickly.

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Good to eat... - 7/16/2007 10:13:05 AM   
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In all that stuff I posted above, it says they're safe to eat.  Once you get past the spines!

If they show up here, I'll be spearing them.

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Since it's non-native, invassive + - 7/16/2007 10:35:31 AM   
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Our guys have been spearing them. Alot of spearo's have a solid 8-10" kill spike on the end of their guns. As they see a lion fish around the wrecks, they just stab them in the head and leave them for the baracuda's and eels to eat. We used to bag them up and send them to the NMFS but they no longer want them and have said it's open season on this invassive fish. I don't think I've heard of anyone eating them though. If there was an edible market for them, I'm sure spearo's would keep them. Right now they are just trying to help NMFS get rid of them. There was talk of a bounty for them a couple of years ago, but that got nixed in the budget process.

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Eradication - 7/16/2007 10:47:07 AM   
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They are probably here to stay, and beyond that, they're spreading rapidly.  They live to 200 feet deep, so let's hope they are delicious.  12 to 15 inches long could be a meal...

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Ritz & other development is already screwing up diving ... - 7/17/2007 4:51:27 AM   
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I've watched the viz steadily deteriorate since development began back in '04. BTW, Ritz is looking for a mid to late '08 opening.

Guess it could have been worse. Over the years and at least as recently as the early 70s there was talk of an oil refinery.

Amazing news about lionfish. 

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Found at top of the wall, more like 50-60' + - 7/17/2007 7:11:10 AM   
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all three were on different dives but all of them were along the top of the wall.  2 were really tucked into some coral heads but the third (that I shot on video) was out on the side of a coral head near a little overhang for him to tuck into. 

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Noticing it on the tops of the walls a little + - 7/17/2007 7:23:17 AM   
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but it's gradual.....still very healthy reef life, sponges, corals and fish.  In spite of the lionfish.....also got video of a Torpedo Ray coming right at me from Eel Garden then I followed it on the side, from above and behind.....got lots of video of this rare find.

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Yup, - 7/17/2007 8:08:22 AM   
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So far, the only changes that I've seen that are not gradual is bleaching and the diseases.  That decimates in a matter of months.  I envy those who dive different places all the time, because they can travel further and further afield to better diving.  I have stayed in one place for nineteen years and seen the awful decline.

The NOAA scientist who's monitoring the spread of Lionfish is amazed at the West Caicos sighting, I sent her the link to here.  The invasion is full steam ahead, and no way to slow or stop it.

I do not think they're beautiful.

The Torpedo Ray swimming about is a treasure!  They're probably not terribly uncommon, but their zipping under the sand is such a good trick.  Not like Southern rays that can generally be easily seen peeking out of the sand.  Aren't you happy to have had a video!

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West Caicos--this simply makes me ill.+ - 10/2/2007 8:23:26 AM   
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Similar thing occurring on Ambergris Cay in T & C...(+) - 10/2/2007 10:00:54 AM   
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More southerly island but similar concept.

http://www.tcsportingclub.com/

Seems everyone is looking for their own piece of paradise.



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Swell. BTW, where was I when the money train passed thr... - 10/2/2007 10:04:00 AM   
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...the station?

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